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Permalink Reply by JacquiUK on March 31, 2010 at 8:37pm

Hi Elayne

There are quite a few websites on-line about John Kingshott, not sure if you have found any, but this one is very good, putting a link here for you. http://kingshottgenealogy.co.uk/convictjohn.aspx

Hope it helps as it gives an insight into his life before he was sent to Australia, one thing I will point out is that Thomas Kingshott(Johns grandfather) was born in Cotsford, Sussex, the person that owns the site couldn't find a place of that name, but there is a village called that (I have emailed her) it is near a place called Pease Pottage, Sussex.

Jacqui

Permalink Reply by Skant37 on March 24, 2012 at 2:24am

Hi JacquiUK,

I am also related to the Kingshott families.  I have been searching for Thomas Kingshott (b.abt.1722 & Johns grandfather), and I have looked at the maps of the area.  Cotsford could be Copthorne which is near Pease Pottage in W. Sussex.  I would dearly love to find where Thomas was born and who is parents were.  He married Ann Bayley in Greatham where John who came as a convict to Tasmania was born.  I'd like to know her parents as well.  Perhaps one of the churches in the area would have records going back to the birth of Thomas.  Have you or Elayne got any further?  Regards   Gay (I'm in Melbourne)

Permalink Reply by Fra on May 10, 2010 at 1:05pm

Hello,
This will not help you, but I have a Kinshot in our tree born in Tassie in 1840 @ New Norfolk his name was William any connections with yours? He married Matilda, Martha Brooker daughter of a convict in 1863.

Thanks,

Fra

Permalink Reply by Elayne Whatman on June 11, 2010 at 12:47am

Sorry I have taken so long to reply, but I am also involved with a local Historical Museum and that has taken a lot of my time lately. Your William is part of the Kingshott family I am delving into. William and Matilda had 4 children - the eldest I have no name for, then there's William Henry, b.1867; Elijah James b 1868; and John Coleman b. 1871

I am still trying to chase up some of the Kingshotts, though

Permalink Reply by Fra on June 11, 2010 at 3:23am

Elayne,
Thanks for your reply.
I am related to the Brookers which was Matilda's madien name.
I have the following info found:
They married 19 Jan Tasmania 1863
Children:
Male Kingshot b.1864 d.1864
Male Kingshot b.1867 (may be your William)
Elijah James b.1867
Do you know if the sibs you have found went on to marry and so on?
Do you know the story of Matilda's father?

Thanks,

Fran

Permalink Reply by Elayne Whatman on June 11, 2010 at 5:53am

Hi Fran

Yes, the unnamed child died 1864 and William Henry died 1955. As to Elijah and/or John I have no gone that far yet. As I said I have been very slow in getting this far. However there is the fact that many of the Kingshott family came to Victoria and I have yet to check out Victoria to see if I can find any mention of Elijah and/or John.

Unfortunately many from the past have made themselves well hidden and finding them is trully a investigators nightmare majority of times.

There was a John Kingshott who resided in the former Broadmeadows Village (now known as Westmeadows) here in Victoria. He must have been a real character. This John was a blacksmith and it was not unknown for him to have a horse to be shod, particularlry in the summer, and shoe one foot then go over the pub for a pot, return to put the other shoe on the horse and back again to the pub for a pot, and so to the third and fourth shoes. I have often wondered just how the last horse of the day needing new four shoes got on. Was John able to put the shoe on properly or not? That is the question.

Cheers

Elayne

Permalink Reply by Fra on June 11, 2010 at 8:13am

I have just found a truck load of articles from the Mercury Tas.
So looks like they were still there for sometime. Here is but one.....

KINGSHOTT-SMART.-On July 9 at
St. David's Cathedral, by the Rev. Dean
Kite, William Henry, son of the late
William Kingshott, Lachlan, to Elsie
Smart, the eldest surviving daughter of
Henry and Margaret Smart, Hobart.
The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860-1954)
Friday 17 July 1903

Permalink Reply by Skant37 on April 18, 2012 at 10:50pm

Hi Fran, I was trailing through the Kingshott letters here and wondered whether you had found out about the Brookers yet? If you haven't, I can tell you that Matilda Brooker 's family came from Berkshire England, and the father was Elijah b. 1816, and mother Ann Mackrell b. 1819.

William Kingshott b. 1844 at O'Briens Bridge, was the son of William b. 1820 & Eliza Peardon, and his father was John Kingshott who came out as a convict.  William b. 1844 Nad Matilda's son William b. 1867 married Emmeline Charlotte??. Unfort. I haven't found her name yet.

Regards,  Gay

Permalink Reply by Fra on June 13, 2010 at 9:01am

Elaine,
Looked at that web site, but cannot see the connection can you?

Fran

Permalink Reply by larzus on April 18, 2012 at 4:16am

Hi Elayne,

I can see this discussion is well over, but I have a Mary Ann Kingshott born 23 Feb 1822 in  Greatham, Hampshire, England who married William Sargent in New Norfolk Tasmania.  Her birthplace was listed on her death certificate which a fellow researcher holds.

I haven't even begun to research that line, I don't even have her parents' names in my database.  She lived in New Norfolk Tasmania to the end, my husband is her direct descendant.  I wondered if perhaps you had any information on her?

Irene

Permalink Reply by Skant37 on April 18, 2012 at 5:06am

Hi Elayne and Irene,

I have some information for you re the Kingshotts.

John Kingshott b. 1 Jan 1792 at Petersfield, Greatham, Hampshire. He died 8 May 1866 at O'Briens Bridge, Glenorchy Tas.  Mary, his wife was born 1802 somewhere in england, possibly Hampshire too, and died 27 Feb 1839.  They had 7 children, William, Mary Ann, Hannah, John, James, francis, and Ellen.  Mary died 2 yrs after Ellen was born.  Ellen was born after Mary arrived in VDL. 

John was a convicted for stealing , cheese, ham etc for his family as this was in the time of the Industrial Revolution., and the family was hungry because the men lost their jobs to the machinery. After serving his 7 years in Van Diemans Land, his family was brought out from England and they settled in New Norfolk.  John had been apprenticed and learnt blacksmithing, His son John also learnt this trade and went to Melbourne and then when the gold rush came in Castlemaine, he took off and found gold and came back to Tas. where I think he bought the farm where his father eventually died.  Mary Ann was my 3rd. Great Grandmother. 

Regards Gay

Permalink Reply by Skant37 on April 18, 2012 at 5:33am

Hi Elayne,

A correction there.  John Kingshott came out on the Proteus, to VDL but remained in VDL and during his 7 yrs, was apprenticed as a blacksmith.  When he served his time, his wife, Mary and children  were allowed to join him and make a life in Tasmania.  It was his son John, I believe who went over to Melbourne as he learnt the trade of blacksmithing  after he arrived.  He could have been in Broadmeadows, but when the gold rush arrived in Castlemaine, he took off and found gold and came back to Tas.  John and Mary had  another daughter, Ellen, and Mary lived a further 2 years after that, and then sadly died  The older girls would have had to raise her.  John Snr. was my 4th. G. Grandfather.

Regards, Gay 

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