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I am looking for information regarding Emma Amelia Schultz, I have very little information to start a search.
What I have is, a 1910 and 1920 US census for the state of Washington, that gives her name as both Amelia and Emma, a birth place as Canada, her birth year about 1884. Her father's birth place as Germany and mother's as France. Her second husband's name as Curtis Stillwagon.
Her immigration year as 1897 (but difficult to read)
1920 census says the Curry children's father (children by 1st husband) was born in England
My father's memory that his grandmother may have been Emma Schultz.
A child's birth record that gives her maiden name as Schultz (this child was Leslie Stillwagon from her second marriage) Giving her name as Amelia
Entries in the marriage records in 1909 for Victoria BC of her marriage to the second husband (Stillwagon), but also gives her surname as Schultz as well as Currie, I believe Currie/Curry to be her first husband's surname. Also her parent's names of William and Minnie.
An entry in the 1920 census giving her children ( by her first marriage) the surname Curry.
My father's middle name of Curry.
My grandmother's birthdate as 14 Feb 1906, name was Bertha Irene Curry/Currie and her brother was, Hirshal Curry/Currie, born about 2 years later in Sequim Washington, both birth records burned in a fire there. Bertha Irene's birth date was on the death index so could be off but only the month and day, the year is correct with all we knew to be true of her.
Two marriage record for daughter, Bertha Irene, one to her first husband, Bertram Saunders in 1920 in King Co Wa, where Emma was a witness, and Bertha Irene's second marriage record to Albert Kotzerke in 1934 where Emma was also a witness along with her third husband, William Newman. The second marriage took place in Okanogan Wa, close to the Canada boarder. Bertha Irene was listed as living in Alaska so Emma may have been the one to be living in Okanogan. There was some talk that Emma and Irene (as Bertha was known by) were married on the same date in the 1934 marriage but I have never been able to prove that.
I have researched a few of the Emma Amelia Schultz's in Canada and so far none have met her criteria
I have used Ancestry, Family seasrch (all three versions), Heritage quest, google, the vital index for BC, the Census site for Canada.
There is so much i want to know but for now, what I would like to know is the given name of her first husband Mr CURRIE/CURRY (My g- Grandfather) when and where they were married and hopefully some information or leads about him.
Leads to the ancestry of my Emma Amelia Schultz, where in Canada she was born etc.
I have traced the Emma Amelia with the parents of Rudolf and Pauline, (in Ontario) this is _not_ her family, This family is the one that every one seems to reccommend to me. I did extensive research on this family so if any one knows someone who wants my information about them I would be happy to share all of it.
So you see, I have basically _nothing_ concrete (primary sources) to go on just a lot of little things. I tried to present all of the relevent information in the briefest way I could, I would love to find siblings of Emma's if there were any. she is such a mysterious woman.
I have not asked for help from Gene societies, not knowing where Minnie was from and not even being sure where Emma was born. I couldn't even find a border crossing for Emma. I am not getting any cooperation from her daughter (now about 89) I have a feeling there was a lot going on in that family that by those old standards may have been things they didn't want to talk about.
Minnie would have died in about 1887 or so. She supposidly died giving birth to a baby boy, I have no idea if the boy lived or died.
when did Irene die?, and what was her married name.. I came across an item, but not swure it's her, last name is Irene Saunder Krause
Her name was Bertha Irene Curry (she never used Bertha, she didn't like it) then Irene Saunders and after her last husband she was Irene Kotzerke she died 13 jan 1964
I see no harm in asking if there might be parish/mission records someone might go through. Catholic records are often kept well if they've avoided fire and harm over the years...
I don't want you to hang your hat on this family without proof either...but I do not see any sign of Amy Amelia, Emmie, Emilia of that age left in B.C. after the 1891...
I don't think you should hold too tightly to family facts either as they sound contradictory. A great deal of family history become more legend over the years...I have no doubt that William was involved with the gold rush... He lives with Thomas Moffatt of the highest gold rush fame...
Mary Maud ( called herself Maud so Mary probably her Catholic saint's name) was born 1888-1889 so she may have been the last child born to John Macken & Minnie Moffatt.
Just the fact that the children are scattered and John Mackin calling himself single makes it look as though the children were abandoned some time after the 1891.
My grandmother was Ida Shultz. My mother was (Maud)Mary Raisbeck. If you notice on the 1901 (BC)Yale&Cariboo(#5) Carriboo A-3 page 2 household 23 census Ida was 18 living with her father William Shultz in household #23. Note Household #33 is James Raisbeck. My grandfather. I have my mothers baptism certificte naming Ida shultz and G Raisbeck. My mother was (Maude probably named after Ida's sister I think Mininie's last child)Maud Mary Raisbeck.
In the 1911 (BC) Census Ida is in the same household as Mabel Makin. I think Mabel was Ida's 1/2 sister (both daughters of Minnie). Minnie would be my great grandmother along with William Shultz would be my great grandfather. Then Tomas Moffitt would be my great great grandfather as father of Minnie. I also heard that my mother was decended from a chilcotin and suswap native person. Could that be the Mary mother of Minnie?
I think my grandmother Ida Schultz was Emma's sister. Both Daughters of Minnie and of William Schultz.
I did not know these people but have this baptism certificate for my mother born in Alexandria BC. I heard that my mother had brothers and she never told me. I wonder if the boy who is 5 years old above my mother who is one below Ida schultz in the 1911 census is her brother. I would love to know about the German history background of my grandfather William Schultz. I wonder above what the record is about him getting married and about the married daughter mentioned born in Germany. Ida is call native in the 1901 census.
Wow they actually registered a birth...hehe ( seemed the norm to NOT do it in that area)
Welcome Pat! I am not a relative, but I just had a keen interest in your history as it was such a great hunt. All my notes are gone now, as I'd have a mountain if I kept them all, as have also been on another genealogy site for several years. I was pleased to have found so much for this thread...but doubt I can do anymore from mid Canada...
Hopefully Jo sees her notification as I almost missed mine.
Are you living anywhere near the area to be able to look further back on the family?
Have you read through the thread completely? There are lots of holes especially Mary as you say...Old parish recods may be the only tie in...
Please feel free to refute any of my findings as I am a distance away and see only what I find online. It is always up to the thread owner or family to look further and prove or disprove...I felt sure I had traced her ancestors but not sure if Jo was as convinced...
Also the lad in 1911 may have belonged to Mary Maud Macken her half sister, but without any birth information available it is hard to say for absolute certain who belonged to whom... Some Parish file hunting is in order...sounds like fun...
Back in 1901 census...( see page two of this thread) Clifford is with Maud Mary and John Lyne so is likely a nephew of Ida's?? Clifford is enumerated twice in 1911 as he's also with 2 other children boarded out with an aunt and uncle so perhaps that mother / maybe both parents are gone??
I am the daughter of Ruth Stillwagon Bolash; her parents were Emma Schultz and Curtis Stillwagon. I guess that means that Pat Lucking and I are also related. Jo Saunders made contact with my family when my mother died. Several years ago I tried tracing the Schultz line and was unsuccessful and finally gave up due to other pressing matters. Now at 75, with so much going on in my life I find it hard to digest all this information that Jo has discovered. I joined here to see all the information that is being discovered regarding my family history but I don't think that I have anything new to add as I have already given Jo all that I knew about my mother's past. It is very interesting to say the least. It's nice to meet new relatives; Jo has been a delight with all her information. I wish that we had found each other before my grandmother died. I think meeting her would have been interesting.
I am so excited to be talking to you. I am still doing the research too.
I think our grandmothers were sisters. My grandmother Ida Schultz and your grandmother Amelia Schultz. Which would make your grandmother my great aunt and then you would be my great cousin.(not sure how that works).
I am trying to put together some of the bits of information I have and then I will send to you.
Talk to you soon
Pat O'Brien Lucking daughter of Maud Raisback O'Brien
Welcome to Looking4kin, oldernwizer! ( cute username I had to read twice to get the phonetics :)
Glad that you have all found each other! I imagine many more will join in as the time goes by...I just hope somebody picks up on all the clues we've found and looks back further. If you can somehow tie in Mary to the Bouchie/Bouchier family...or whichever family she may be from ... it would be so nice to not have her always be known as Mary "Indian" anymore.
Wow did I see a 3 way connection here ??
Have you done any inquiries into B.C. parishes?
You can research this Currie death in Washington where Amelia says the children were born https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F7TJ-KXR