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|Syver A Brager
United States Census, 1900
name: Syver A Brager
titles & terms:
event date: 1900
event place: ED 130 Shell Creek Precinct Newman Grove village, Madison, Nebraska, United States
birth date: Dec 1835
relationship to head of household: Head
father's birthplace: Norway
mother's birthplace: Norway
race or color (standardized): White
marital status: Married
years married: 43
estimated marriage year: 1857
mother how many children:
number living children:
immigration year: 1857
sheet letter: A
family number: 56
reference number: 45
film number: 1240934
digital folder number: 004119907
image number: 00614
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Syver A Brager M 65 Norway
wife Mary Brager F 63 Norway
boarder Mary Fodnes F 32 Norway
boarder Maggie Horn F 23 Michigan
forgot to add this, you don't give dates etc
If that's the right person, he died in Nebraska in 1902, he was in the Civil War, they didn't always stay where they started out.1890 schedual, shows him in Madison Nebraska
Name: Sever A Brager
Residence: Sylvester, Wisconsin
Enlistment Date: 2 Nov 1865
Rank at enlistment: Musician
State Served: Wisconsin
Service Record: Promoted to Full Principal Musician on 01 Sep 1865.
Enlisted in Company A, Wisconsin 46th Infantry Regiment on 11 Feb 1865.
Sources: Roster of Wisconsin Volunteers: War of the Rebellion
Yes, this the same family. They moved from Wisconsin to Minnesota, date unknown, then on to Nebraska sometime after 1880-81. My grandmother was baptized in the Bear Creek Church in 1880. I am looking for more specific dates and why they were in that area. There is a Jens Brager buried in the cemetery at Bear Creek, but I don't know if that Jens was Syver's brother. Lots of questions, few answers.
Thanks so much for your interest in my query.
Is this your Martin Kobbervig?
Martin O. Kobbervig
Birth: Feb. 10, 1853
Death: Jun. 7, 1917
Marie Kobbervig (1857 - 1899)
Springdale Lutheran Church Cemetery
Created by: Bonita Guarino
Record added: May 07, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 69462879
Friday, December 21, 1917, Madison, Wisconsin
Estate of Martin Kobbervig-Apr1-- cation for' administration heard at tl.'c February, 1915, Creditors have until April 21
Yes he is my great grandfather.
It's strange that I cannot find either Syver Brager nor Martin Kobbervig in the 1880 census. They may have been traveling to Nebraska during that census.
It might be that he was missed in transit but he also might be badly enumerated.
Allend Olson Brager, who was also born Hedalen, Valdres & may be a relative, ...is listed as Ellen in 1880 Dane Wisconsin although he is clearly with a wife in 1880, and seems to be nicknamed Allen. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MN48-1KS Civil war info for other Brager: http://vesterheim.org/CivilWar/db/b/bra/index.html
You have quite a search with Norwegian naming patterns let alone the Americanization or phonetics of forename & surname.
Another example is a Nils N. Brakke in 1880 Minnesota which could well be a Nelsen/Nilsen/Nilsson Brager
There is also the mess of the death information for martin Kobbervig's wife as "McKoberrig" https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XLDW-P13
( Whom I see now was a sister to Syver)
I have never seen that entry before. I have copies of the obit that was in the paper an it was not spelled like that.
What was really confusing to me, when I started this, was Martin's mother Marit Kobbervig and Syver Brager were brother and sister. In other words Martin and his wife, Marit, were 1st cousins. I have no idea where the Prayer came from.
Prayer was likely a phonetic misspell for the real middle name...OR...Hard as it may be it might be to believe just have been a bad phonetic for Brager.** I was rather dumbfounded to see that her parent's had similar names to your first query's. Have you proven this relationship beyond a doubt? She seemed young to be Syver's sister and too old to be a daughter?
** Although not the same language, I think of how my Grandmother or my old neighbour might have said these names... I sometimes say them out loud and then write down the phonetic and search under that...Brager was said Braka which was changed to Bragger but may have been softened to Bragha. ( B & P can be a real sound-alike here, so you may sometimes find Prager)
Sample of a conversation with my lovely ol neighbour, now gone. "Do you vaulk? Knowing she didn't say "Ws" and wasn't meaning cutlery or otherwise...I said yes!... I go for a walk every day...Then, frustrated & trying more to say the word forcefully ... "Do you Fork?" ....ah, Yes I work!
My favoutite is the syllables pronounced differently while not meaning to swear at the flowers.... Those poor "A-FRICKEN violets" :)