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Permalink Reply by Eliz on February 9, 2013 at 7:29pm

is this the same family in 1900? At Familysearch.org

Syver A Brager United States Census, 1900

birth Dec 1835 Norway residence 1900 ED 130 Shell Creek Precinct Newman Grove village, Madison, Nebraska, United States

spouseMary Brager

Permalink Reply by Eliz on February 9, 2013 at 7:30pm

name: Syver A Brager
titles & terms:
event: Census
event date: 1900
event place: ED 130 Shell Creek Precinct Newman Grove village, Madison, Nebraska, United States
birth date: Dec 1835
birthplace: Norway
relationship to head of household: Head
father's birthplace: Norway
mother's birthplace: Norway
race or color (standardized): White
gender: Male
marital status: Married
years married: 43
estimated marriage year: 1857
mother how many children:
number living children:
immigration year: 1857
page: 3
sheet letter: A
family number: 56
reference number: 45
film number: 1240934
digital folder number: 004119907
image number: 00614
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Syver A Brager M 65 Norway
wife Mary Brager F 63 Norway
boarder Mary Fodnes F 32 Norway
boarder Maggie Horn F 23 Michigan

forgot to add this, you don't give dates etc

Permalink Reply by Eliz on February 9, 2013 at 7:45pm

If that's the right  person, he died in Nebraska in 1902, he was in the Civil War, they didn't always stay where they started out.1890 schedual, shows him in Madison Nebraska

Name: Sever A Brager
Residence: Sylvester, Wisconsin
Enlistment Date: 2 Nov 1865
Rank at enlistment: Musician
State Served: Wisconsin
Service Record: Promoted to Full Principal Musician on 01 Sep 1865.
Enlisted in Company A, Wisconsin 46th Infantry Regiment on 11 Feb 1865.
Sources: Roster of Wisconsin Volunteers: War of the Rebellion

Permalink Reply by Jo Ann Kyle on February 9, 2013 at 7:45pm

Yes, this the same family.  They moved from Wisconsin to Minnesota, date unknown, then on to Nebraska sometime after 1880-81.  My grandmother was baptized in the Bear Creek Church in 1880.  I am looking for more specific dates and why they were in that area.  There is a Jens Brager buried in the cemetery at Bear Creek, but I don't know if that Jens was Syver's brother.  Lots of questions, few answers.

Permalink Reply by Jo Ann Kyle on February 9, 2013 at 7:49pm

Thanks so much for your interest in my query.

Permalink Reply by Eliz on February 9, 2013 at 7:50pm

Is this your Martin Kobbervig?

Martin O. Kobbervig
Birth: Feb. 10, 1853
Dane County
Wisconsin, USA
Death: Jun. 7, 1917
Dane County
Wisconsin, USA

Family links:
Spouse:
Marie Kobbervig (1857 - 1899)

Burial:
Springdale Lutheran Church Cemetery
Mount Horeb
Dane County
Wisconsin, USA

Created by: Bonita Guarino
Record added: May 07, 2011
Find A Grave Memorial# 69462879

Permalink Reply by Eliz on February 9, 2013 at 7:57pm

Capital Times
Friday, December 21, 1917, Madison, Wisconsin

Estate of Martin Kobbervig-Apr1-- cation for' administration  heard at tl.'c February, 1915, Creditors have until April 21

Permalink Reply by Jo Ann Kyle on February 9, 2013 at 8:04pm

Yes he is my great grandfather.  

It's strange that I cannot find either Syver Brager nor Martin Kobbervig in the 1880 census.  They may have been traveling to Nebraska during that census.  

Permalink Reply by Jeanyalogy on February 9, 2013 at 9:07pm

It might be that he was missed in transit but he also might be badly enumerated.

Allend Olson Brager, who was also born Hedalen, Valdres & may be a relative, ...is listed as Ellen in 1880 Dane Wisconsin although he is clearly with a wife in 1880, and seems to be nicknamed Allen.  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MN48-1KS    Civil war info for other Brager: http://vesterheim.org/CivilWar/db/b/bra/index.html

You have quite a search with Norwegian naming patterns let alone the Americanization or phonetics of forename & surname.

 

Permalink Reply by Jeanyalogy on February 9, 2013 at 9:37pm

Another example is a Nils N. Brakke in 1880 Minnesota which could well be a Nelsen/Nilsen/Nilsson Brager

There is also the mess of the death information for martin Kobbervig's wife as  "McKoberrig"  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XLDW-P13

( Whom I see now was a sister to Syver)

Permalink Reply by Jo Ann Kyle on February 9, 2013 at 10:02pm

I have never seen that entry before.  I have copies of the obit that was in the paper an it was not spelled like that.

What was really confusing to me, when I started this, was Martin's mother Marit Kobbervig and Syver Brager were brother and sister.  In other words Martin and his wife, Marit, were 1st cousins.  I have no idea where the Prayer came from.

Permalink Reply by Jeanyalogy on February 10, 2013 at 6:35am

Prayer was likely a phonetic misspell for the real middle name...OR...Hard as it may be it might be to believe just have been a  bad phonetic for Brager.** I was rather dumbfounded to see that her parent's had similar names to your first query's. Have you proven this relationship beyond a doubt? She seemed young to be Syver's sister and too old to be a daughter?

** Although not the same language, I think of how my Grandmother or my old neighbour might have said these names... I sometimes say them out loud and then write down the phonetic and search under that...Brager was said Braka which was changed to Bragger but may have been softened to Bragha. ( B & P can be a real sound-alike here, so you may sometimes find Prager)

Sample of a conversation with my lovely ol neighbour, now gone. "Do you vaulk? Knowing she didn't say "Ws" and wasn't meaning cutlery or otherwise...I said yes!... I go for a walk every day...Then, frustrated & trying more to say the word forcefully ... "Do you Fork?"   ....ah, Yes I work!

My favoutite is the syllables pronounced differently while not meaning to swear at the flowers.... Those poor "A-FRICKEN violets" :)

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