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I am looking for the parents of Robert R. Andrews born 1872 Belfast Ireland that moved to New Jersey with his family prior 1913. His wife Wilhelmina MacFarland was born in Scotland and died in New Jersey in 1913 of childbirth. There daughter my great grandmother Roberta used to say they were related to Thomas Andrews that designed the Titanic but I cannot find that connection.
I am looking into Diener,Webb,Moran,Stalvey,Lewis,Freeman,Bubb,Welch
1910 United States Federal Census about Robert R Andrews
Name: Robert R Andrews
Age in 1910: 38
Birth Year: 1872
Home in 1910: Gloucester City Ward 2, Camden, New Jersey
Immigration Year: 1902
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Wilhelmina Andrews
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page
Robert R Andrews 38
Wilhelmina Andrews 36
William R Andrews 12
Margaret R Andrews 10
Charles M Andrews 4
Wilhelmina Andrews 2
Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Gloucester City Ward 2, Camden, New Jersey; Roll: T624_872; Page: 5A; Enumeration District: 0094; Image: 449; FHL microfilm: 1374885.
Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.
assuming this is the correct family, how much info do you already have on him and what NJ info do you need?
Robert went home to Ireland in 1922 to visit family there is a passport copy:
U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925 about Robert Andrews
Name: Robert Andrews
Birth Date: 22 Jun 1873
Birth Place: Belfast, Ireland
Residence: Pitman, New Jersey
Passport Issue Date: 27 Jul 1922
Passport Includes a Photo:yes
Source Citation: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington D.C.; Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925; Collection Number: ARC Identifier 583830 / MLR Number A1 534; NARA Series: M1490; Roll #: 2071; ; .
Ancestry.com. U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2007.
Thanks so much for the reply. It is the correct family. I do know he was a ship builder. I would like to know more about his children. Roberta was my great grandmother and I knew her so some of what I have comes from her. As she aged she developed dementia and Alzheimer's so my Uncle and I are taking everything she did say with a grain of salt. Margaret died at 18 from the flu, Ernest son is now a NJ Representative and Wilhelmina "Mina" moved to Florida. Now I am working backwards on Robert and Wilhelmina. I know he came from Ireland and her from Scotland and have up to their 2nd great grandparents. I would really love to find if there is any connection between Robert and Thomas Andrews that built the Titanic.
I went on a look see for Thomas Andrews:
Thomas Andrews was born at Ardara House, Comber, County Down, part of the Province of Ulster in Ireland, to The Rt. Hon. Thomas Andrews, a member of the Privy Council of Ireland, and Eliza Pirrie. The younger brother of John Miller Andrews, the future Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, Thomas Andrews lived with his family in Ardara, Comber. In 1884, Andrews began attending the Royal Belfast Academical Institution until 1889 when, at the age of sixteen, he began a premium apprenticeship at Harland and Wolff where his uncle, the Viscount Pirrie, was part owner.
so what we have to try and do is take a look at the Grandfathers you have in Ireland...
names, dates and where...then see if their connected in anyway to Thomas' family
Several trees have these as his siblings:
John Miller Andrews
1871 – 1956
Eliza Montgomery Andrews
that being said I still need your Grandparents names,male and female and any possible dates.
My grandparents are Paula Bubb (still living) and Robert John Diener ( died 22 sep 1993 Amtrak Wreck Mobile Alabama)
Roberts parents are John Henry Diener 1910-? ( he disappeared when my grandfather was little) and Roberta Andrews 1913-2003.
Roberta was the daughter of Robert R. Andrews and Wilhelmina MacFarland.
Robert R. Andrews 22 jun 1871 Belfast Ireland died New Jersey. He was a shipbuilder. Robert was the son of Joseph Andrews 1836-1908 and Margaret Reid 1839-1908. In 1897 Robert married Wilhelmina MacFarlane 1872-1913, daughter of Alexander MacFarlane 1848-1907 and Wilhelmina Newlands 1851-? Robert and Wilhelmina had 6 children, My great grandmother Roberta, William Robert 1898-1988Florida,Margaret Reid 1900-1918 died from Flu,Charles Malcom 1906-?,Wilhelmina Newlands 1908-?Florida married Charles Dilks1907-1998 ,Ernest Andrews 1910-1985 married Josephine Rex Amies 1919-1995
Robert R. Andrews (1871-?) was also married to Violet Belz 1884-? daughter of George Belz 1858-1935 and Clara E. Crowell 1860-1910. Robert and Violet had a daughter Olive B. 1925-1980
Joseph Andrews 1836 Cork Ireland-20 Aug 1908 Belfast Ireland was the son of Peter Andrews. Joseph married Margaret Reid 1839 Belfast Ireland-6 Jul 1908 Belfast Ireland, daughter of John Reid. They had 7 children, Robert R. Andrews, Joseph Andrews 1876-?,William Robert Andrews 1865-?,Sarah Ann Andrews 1867-? married Samuel Jordan 1866-?,Margaret Andrews 1873-?married William John Creighton 1871-?,Elizabeth Andrews 1878-1970 married Robert Murdock 1874-1941,Maria Andrews 1800-1944 married Samuel Logan 1876-1961.
Alexander MacFarlane 1 Jul 1848 Dumbarton Scotland-2 Feb 1907 Belfast Ireland son of Malcolm MacFarlane 1813-1872 and Margaret MacFarlane 1811-1871. In 1869 Alexander married Wilhelmina Newlands 1851 Glasgow Scotland-? daughter of William Newlands 1814-1851 and Sarah Deans 1817-1851. Alexander and Wilhelmina had 6 children Wilhelmina, Margaret1870-?,Sarah1876-?,Malcolm Finlay 1878-1941 married Isabelle Wylie 1878-1967,Julia 1880-?,Catherine1885-1950 married Alfred Edward George Andrews 1885-? son of John Reid Andrews.
Malcolm MacFarlane 1813-1872 was married to Margaret MacFarlane 1811-1871. Alexander was there only child that I know of.
Malcolm 1813-1872 was the son of John MacFarlane ?-1872 and Frances McGregor ?-1872
Wilhelmina Newlands 1851-? was the daughter of William Newlands 1814-1851 and Sarah Deans 1817-1851.
William 1814-1951, son of Peter Newlands and Ann-Julian Thomson 1787-? married 1837 Sarah Deans 1817Scotland-1851Scotland daughter of Robert Deans 1788-1851 and Elizabeth Snodgrass 1784-1861. William and Sarah had 4 children, Wilhelmina,Elizabeth,William and Julia.
As you can tell I have acquired quite a bit of information. Hope this helps.
it looks like Robert and
Wilhelmina married in Ireland as the 1910 census has the first 2 children born Ireland..William age 12 and Margaret age 10
Robert came in 1902, wife and 2 sons in 1903 (according to census)
I went to Ellis Island
First Name: William
Last Name: Andrews
Ethnicity: Scotland, Scottish
Last Place of Residence: Antrim
Date of Arrival: Aug 31, 1903
Age at Arrival: 5y 5m Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Anchoria
Port of Departure: Londonderry
Manifest Line Number: 0012
Wihelmina and the 2 children are in the manifest..they were going to PA to Husband>Robert Andrews..along with his address.
as for Robert so far the only one close is this
Mr R Andrews
along with a Mr A Andrew& Mrs Andrews
National Archives and Records Administration Book Indexes to Boston Passenger Lists, 1899-1940 Record for Mr Robert Andrews
(005) May 16, 1902-Aug. 13, 1902 > 642
Now Joseph and Margaret:
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About this collection
groom's name: Joseph Andrews
groom's birth date:
bride's name: Margaret Reid
bride's birth date: 1838
bride's age: 22
marriage date: 19 Feb 1860
marriage place: Belfast, Ant, Ire
groom's father's name: Peter Andrews
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: John Reid
bride's mother's name:
groom's marital status:
groom's previous wife's name:
bride's marital status:
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M70222-2
system origin: Ireland-VR
source film number: 101413
reference number: 2:3PQMPVF
if you ever get the chance you should order copies of their marriage certs so you have correct source, if thats not affordable, perhaps borrow film from LDS and copy the entry.
Joseph and Margarets Children.. again you need to get sources:
name: Robert Andrews
birth date: 22 Jun 1871
birthplace: Antrim, Ireland
father's name: Joseph Andrews
mother's name: Margaret Reid
indexing project (batch) number: C01236-6
system origin: Ireland-EASy
source film number: 255825
reference number: v 11-1 p 340
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: Margaret Reid
child: William Robert
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: Margaret Reid
child: Margaret Andrews
Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
spouse: Margaret Andrews Reid
child: Maria Andrews
did you post the following:
4. Robert R. Andrews: b. 22 Jun 1871 Belfast, Ireland; imm. 1902; m. (1st) 28 Apr 1897 Duncairn Gardens Methodist Church, Shankill, Belfast, Ireland (m. 2nd c1919/20 Violet B. ___)
[information on #s 4-5 and their parents from information submitted to ancestry.com by “carolineholmes175” (database “Hawthorn/Hawthorne Family Tree”)]
5. Wilhelmina/Williamina MacFarlane: b. 4 Aug 1872 Dumbarton, Dumbarton, Scotland [extracted from FHL #6,035,516: parents Alexander McFarlane and Williamina Newlands]; imm. 1903
Passenger list of the Anchoria, from Londonderry to NYC 1 Sep 1903:
Wilhelmina Andrews [age] 29 [nationality] Scotland [last residence] Antrim [final destination] Philadelphia [passage paid by] husband Robert Andrews 208 Monmouth St. Gloucester NJ
Margaret “ [age] 3y 8m [nationality] Scotland [last residence] Antrim [final destination] Philadelphia [passage paid by] father
William “ [age] 5y 5m [nationality] Scotland [last residence] Antrim [final destination] Philadelphia [passage paid by] father
No but I have seen that. Thank you for all that you have posted :)