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Permalink Reply by Eliz on October 31, 2011 at 5:45pm

Maybe a nickname ion that side.. who knows

 

Permalink Reply by C R Campbell on December 10, 2011 at 12:51pm

Update:....Might as well keep this all in one place eh?...;)

Now focusing on identifying the family of Elizabeth Masten...Benjamin Sr's wife...

cut-n-paste from my notes

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Who is Rowland Masten and does he descend from Kingston, Ulster lines?

Rowland Masten, R. C. Masten, Rowlon Masten, Rowlin Mastin, Rolland Mastin


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1770 Pleasant Valley, NY Posted by keisenrauch1

George Sherer, Benjamin's father, went into the Army of the Revolution and was killed.  His mother, a French Huguenot, set out to what was then called "the Dock" (now Poughkeepsie) to obtain such papers and pension as was possible.  She was said to have been away about two weeks.  During that time, the Tories came along, dismantled the house, and took all the food.  The two boys (George Jr., age eight, and Benjamin, age six) are said to have lived on acorns for over a week until they managed to catch a lamb and slaughter it; thus existing two weeks by their wits as best they could until their mother's return.

George "went West" to Cherry Valley, NY, and continued the Sherer line.  Benjamin married Elizabeth Masten, of Holland Dutch extraction, and began the Sherow line, using the French spelling after his mother.

Benjamin Sherow (the first) and his wife settled on what is known today as Sherow Hill, one-half mile west of Tyrel Lake, near Washington Hollow, Dutchess Co., New York.  The original Sherow Hill covered fifty acres, bought in 1799 by Benjamin Sherow (the first) from one Joseph Hall.  To that Benjamin (the first) added until there were seven deeds to the property which comprised about one hundred sixty-five acres.  At his death, which occurred about 1862, Benjamin Sherow, Jr. took over the farm, occupying it until his death in 1890.  Then his youngest son, Norman took over the property and some years later sold it to one Belden Cromwell whose grandmother was Polly Sherow before she was married-being a daughter of Benjamin Sherow (the first).  So the farms of the old Hill still remained in the family.

This is abridged from the history of the family collected by Norman W. Sherow, Benjamin's grandson.

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Story: Benjamin Posted by deratchford54

Benjamin, the younger boy, did not fare quite so well. The mother, being destitute, bound him out to one Conrad Ham (father of Milton Ham and grandfather of John M. Ham of Washington Hollow) until he was 21 years of age. Then the Hams gave him a gray horse and a silver watch, and that was his compensation from boyhood until 21 years of age. He too, was thrifty, as it proved later.



Story: Benjamin Sherow Sr. Posted by deratchford54

Benjamin the younger son married a girl by the name of Elizabeth Masten, of Holland Dutch extraction. She was the sister of Rowlon Masten, and aunt to Calvin Masten, and a great-aunt to Willard F. Masten.

This couple started the "Sherow" branch of the family as it seems the 2 brothers and their wives differed in the way of spelling the name. The George Sherer who went west took the Scottish spelling of the name while Benjamin took the name of Sherow, which is supposed to be the French spelling- through the French Huguenot mother.

Benjamin Sherow (the first) and his wife settled on what is known as Sherow Hill, one half mile west of Tyrel lake, near Washington Hollow, Dutchess County, NY. The original Sherow Hill covered 50 acres bought in 1799 by Benjamin Sherow (the first) from one Joseph Hall. To that Benjamin added until there were 7 deeds to the property which comprised about 165 acres. At his death, Benjamin Sherow, Jr. took over the farm, occupying it until his death in 1890. Then his youngest son Norman, took over the property and some years later sold it to Belden Cromwell whose grandmother was Polly Sherow before she was married- being a daughter of Benjamin  Sherow (the first), so the farms of the Old hill remained in the family.

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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nydutche/cems/pitts.htm

Interments in the PITTSBURY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH

"Old Gravestones of Dutchess County, New York" by J. W. Poucher published in 1924, pages 208-214.

91. Cornwell, Benjamin, s. of Peter N. & Mary, d. 1852, Oct. 26, a. 20-6-26.
92. Cornwell, Jane, w. of Peter, d. 1854, Jan. 8, a. 35 y. 20 d.
93. Cornwell, Rebecca, w. of Samuel A., d. 1848, Aug. 24, in 48th y.
94. Cornwell, Samuel A., d. 1847, Oct. 17, a. 46-11-1.
95. Cromwell, Henry M., d. 1897, Mar. 27, a. 56 y.
96. Cromwell, Unice Anna, w. of Henry M., d. 1899, Mar. 21, a. 59 y.
97. Crowell, J. D. C., s. of Peter & Jane, d. 1844, Dec. 29, a. 6 m. 3 d.

Note: Henry is Belden Cromwell’s father. Belden has a brother, Tyrell Cromwell, Sr. Benjamin Sherow, Sr. lives ½ miles from Tyrel Lake. On the current map the road that runs by the lake around a hill is called Tyrell road. Tyrell Road ends at Masten Road at the south end..


200. Ham, Jacob, s. of Nicholas V. & Mary C., d. 1860, Sep. 18, a. 1-4-19.
201. Ham, Jonathan, d. 1864, July 25, a. 59-6-14.
202. Ham, Lewis, twin s. of Jonathan & Mary, d. 1857, Sep. 5, a. 9 m. 20 d.
203. Ham, Madison, b. 1809, Apr. 1, d. 1878, Oct. 1.
204. Ham, Mary, dau. of Jonathan & Mary, d. 1853, Aug. 30, a. 1 m.
205. Ham, Mary Vincent, w. of Jonathan, d. 1886, Jan.18, a. 69-7-9.
206. Ham, Milton, d. 1884, Nov. 29, a. 81-11-1.
207. Ham, Phebe Ferriss, w. of Milton, d. 1890, Oct. 23, a. 68-11-24.

Note: John M Ham and Milton Ham mentioned above, with their wives and children. I think I saw the Vincent family mentioned when I was searching for Mastens. It might help identify which line these Mastens are from. This is the family (Ham) that raised Benjamin Sherow Sr (1767-1865). These dates and burials seem to confirm that the man in question was Milton’s father, Conrad Ham, as mentioned above.


255. Mastin, Isaac C., s. of Rowlin & Sary, d. 1824, July 27, a. 5-2-23. - b. July 4 1819
256. Masten, Rowland, d. 1864, Dec. 4, a. 80 y. - b. ~1784
257. Mastin, Sarah E., dau. of Rowlin R. & Sarah, d. 1827, Apr. 18, a. 6 m. 18 d. - b. Oct 31 1826
258. Masten, Sarah, d. 1867, Oct. 18, a. 74-6-4. - b. Apr 14 1793
259. Mastin, Daniel F., s. of Rowlin R. & Sary, d. 1845, Sep. 27, a. 24-3-12. - b. Jun 15 1821

Update:
Firstly, Dorothy Sherow Traver entered 1776 as the year Elizabeth Masten was born. Using the entry in Internments in Pittsbury as a guide (yes, notoriously inaccurate, but surely you won’t suggest it is 100% inaccurate?), the entry stating she died in 1856, Dororthy would have had to have read her age as 80 years and not 86 years. Why? The reason is unknown. If she visited the cemetery she read it directly. Or she found it in another un-named source. So far the only other source I’m aware of is Norman W. Sherow’s 2- page notes called History of the Sherow Family mentioned elsewhere. In those notes it says that Rowland Masten is her brother and I note here that Interments lists him as being 80 years old! Did Dorothy transpose the ages for Elizabeth and Rowland? Did Cecil and his cousin Kenneth who re-discovered the History do that? Did Norman W. Sherow, the compiler of the History, do that? Does weathering play a role in that what was 86 is now interpreted to be 80 on Elizabeth’s headstone? If that’s the case, is the death year correct?

There seems to be three possible birth years for Elizabeth.

1856 - 86 = 1770 - This is what is listed in Internments in Pittsbury 1912-1913
1850 - 80 = 1770
1856 - 80 = 1776 - This is what is in Dorothy’s Sherow genealogy - source unknown
1850 - 86 = 1764

I’ve scoured 1770 before and was able to account for the Elizabeth I found as being in another branch of the Kingston crowd. The 1776 date has a still eligible Elizabeth, however that family has no Rowland listed. Then there the recently found (for myself) Dirck Masten, so of Aart Masten living in the area, and is mentioned as having a daughter named Elizabeth in Aart’s will... Lastly, the 1764 possible date I have not considered before and is a new realization for me. The date looks familiar and it could be an aunt Elizabeth I’m recalling and I accounted for her IIRC....must confirm that.

Back to our regularly scheduled program;

I tried to calculate the exact date of birth (or bapt.?) based on the information provided. Above is mentioned a Willard F. Masten, son of Calvin. I believe this perhaps should be Willard P. Masten based on Federal Census information found at the LDS website FamilySearch.org. That seems to bring into question whether Daniel F. should be Daniel P.?

Another issue now seems to be Rowlin here is given as Rowlin R. In various publications in which is published the writings of what appears to be Calvin, he gives the his name as C. R. C. Masten. In one of those articles, mention is made to C. R. C. Masten’s father, R. C. Masten. Rowlin C. doesn’t match Rowlin R. What gives? And finally, the children switch from Masten to Mastin. This should indicate that when looking for ancestors of Elizabeth and Rowland to look for Masten, but given my adventures with the Sherow’s switching back and forth willy-nilly, you never know.

Assuming all these people are the same people that I think they are (with a grain of salt), taking into account the names as given in the publications, there appears to be a pattern here in that the half the males have C. as the middle initial, namely, Isaac C., Calvin R. C., and Rowland C.  Daniel and Willard break the pattern, and seem to conflict in that the census clearly gives Willard P. (Phebe? Or Paul?) and yet Willard F would match Daniel F.  To be resolved eventually I hope.

Lastly, there’s Sarah E. Since I’m trying to identify Elizabeth Masten, the claimed sister of Rowland, the E. does not seem out of place, however that doesn’t necessarily mean that the E. represents the name Elizabeth. Hmmmmm.

In the Kingston Mastens, in which I had originally placed Elizabeth as a daughter of Johannes, sonof Benjamin, their naming seemed to follow this pattern for middle initials. B. = Benjamin. C. = Cornelius or Cornelis. It’s tempting here to think that the C. of these Washington Hollow / Pleasant Valley Mastens = Calvin. Calvin (CRC) has a son Calvin F, I believe, in the censuses.

Or, I could be barking up the wrong tree completely here and there is nothing to discover in this endeavor - LOL!


307. Sherer, Leander, b. 1840, Sep. 30, d. 1906, June 6.
308. Sherer, Mary F. Welling, w. of David, d. 1886, Oct. 26, a. 81 y.
309. Sherer, Perry, s, of Benjamin & Elizabeth, d. 1838, Jan. 25, a. 20 y. 6 d.
310. Sherow, Benjamin, d. 1890, Sep. 1, a. 57 y.
311. Sherow, Elizabeth, w. of Benjamin, d. 1856, Apr. 7, in 86th y.
312. Sherow, George W., d. 1856, Oct. 15, a. 56-5-15.
313. Sherow, Harriet, w. of Benjamin, d. 1896, Oct. 17, a. 68 y.

Our Elizabeth Masten as identified by Dorothy (Sherow) Traver. Based on email exchanges with deratchford54 and the closing remark of keisenrauch1 above, Dorothy’s source for the name would appear to be Norman W. Sherow, whose collected information deratchford54 indicated was discovered by Dorothy’s father Cecil Sherow and another family member Kenneth Sherow.
deratchford54’s demeanor in the email exchanges seemed to indicate that “they” have seen or at least read a copy of that information and it is their ‘story’  above that makes the claim that Rowland is the brother of our Elizabeth. The source of the claim therefore would again be Norman W. Sherow, so the weight seems to favor that the claim is correct.

So now the hunt is on to identify our Mastens within the Dutch nexus in the region. The only starting point I have to try to tie them into Kingston (why I’m not sure, perhaps becauseI’m most familiar with those lines having tied Elizabeth into them before?) is the knowledge that Aart Masten married Pieternella Viele and they moved into Dutchess somewhere.

Another starting point is to see if there is a list of baptisms and marriages associated with the Pittsbury church that might show the marriage of Benjamin and Elizabeth. I tried in vain to locate a record in the Dutch Reform churches with no luck. That would make sense if the were married in the Presbyterian church!

Presbyterian makes sense for a Scotsman (George Sherer), being a Campbell, that’s an easy call...;)

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http://books.google.com/books?id=OJf5CdoAkrkC&dq=Calendar%20Wills%20Albany%20Masten&pg=PA275#v=onepage&q=Masten&f=false

1205 M97 Aug 29 1785 October 11  Masten

MASTEN Aart of Charlotte Precinct Dutchess Co yeoman Wife sons Jacobus Samuel Jere miah Abraham Peter John daughter Maria wife of Johannis van Aken Geertje Elizabeth wife of Gidion van Aken Anateje wife of John Cammel grandchildren Mary Marretje and Elizabeth daughters of son Dirck Worldly estate Executors Dirck van Vliet Abraham Freligh and son Samuel Witnesses Johannes Freligh Moses Powell and Abrm Freligh of Dutchess Co farmer

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Permalink Reply by C R Campbell on December 10, 2011 at 10:31pm

Well, discovered a couple of things....

Elizabeth, the daughter of Dirck (Dirk) was probably baptized in Schenectady, NY, which is pretty far from Clinton Township around 1780ish..... bah humbug....

On the flipside...I discovered that an Elizabeth I had dismissed actually turns out to be back on the table... Someone has apparently chosen her as wife to a Cornelis Winne... Then i Saw this;

 

 

Needless to say, that is *not* Elizabeth Masten...

So, Elizabeth Masten, daughter of Abraham Masten of Kingston, born 1770 (just like on the gravestone) is back on the table! 

Yeah me! lol

Permalink Reply by C R Campbell on December 12, 2011 at 11:59pm

I just noticed tonight, in Benjamin and Elizabeth's testimony about the Rev War pension kindly linked to above, on the first page Benjamin says he is 83 years and Elizabeth says she is 81 years old...two years apart!

So, straight from the horses mouth, so to speak (I've not seen a picture of either of them doh!), they are two years apart.

If Benjamin is truly born in 1767....Elizabeth cannot be anywhere near 1776 as the Sherow Genealogy states....1770, as given in the Internments in Pittsbury Church book makes much more sense.... And as it happens, the Elizabeth born to Abraham Masten of Kingston, NY is born 1770. The "problem" with this is accounting for her "brother" Rowland (Rowlin) born 1784.

Rowland is not given is any genealogy I've seen let alone Abraham's. Additonally, Abraham would have been 59 or 60 years old in 1784 IIRC..gotta check on that... Not outside the realm of possibility as I actually have a case of that happening elsewhere in the tree... A 60 year old man with a wife 25 years his junior! ...geesh...

In support, I believe I saw comments to the effect that the person was unsure if all of his children were accounted for....again I have to check on that, but I believe it was Abraham, although it might have been Aart Masten in Dutchess or Cornelius Masten in Dutchess...

Elizabeth's that the above dating eiliminates.... Johannes B Masten's (1776), Dirck Masten's (1787 IIRC), nad Aart's oldest son Jacobus' dau (1787)....

So for now...Abraham is it, or an unknown...maybe in Connecticut? 

Were there Huguenots in Connecticut? Hmmmm..............

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