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Permalink Reply by Just M on October 10, 2011 at 9:44am

 

I see they are both on the same ship arriving in the USA

Name: Hilma Claudina Hermansen
Arrival Date: 22 Feb 1906
Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: 21
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav

Name: Hans Jórgen Hermansen
Arrival Date: 22 Feb 1906
Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav

It appears they were going to stay with a sister in law Julie Iversen at 1st Ave and 13th st in Minniapolis.

Source Citation: Year: 1906; Microfilm Serial: T715; Microfilm Roll: T715_666; Line: 4; Page Number: 13.

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.

On the census does Hilma Claudina Hermansen appear with him?

Is this a daughter?

Minnesota Deaths and Burials, 1835-1990

Name: Lillian Penteluk
Gender: Female
Death Date: 05 Jul 1949
Death Place: Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 37
Birth Date: 1912
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Mike
Father's Name: Hans Hermansen
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Helma Oine
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I09489-5
System Origin: Minnesota-EASy
Source Film Number: 2139336
Reference Number: cn 21505 

Permalink Reply by Mary Upgren on October 10, 2011 at 10:28am

Thanks for responding to my questions.

1. As for your question "On the census does Hilma Claudina Hermansen appear with him?"

Yes. Hilma and Hans are both listed on the 1910 and 1920 US census living in Minneapolis, MN. The 1930 US census shows only Hilma living in Minneapolis. She is not with any of her children, and appears that she is renting a room, employed as a laundress and it looks like a "D" for marital status. (I assume that means divorced but I cannot find a Minnesota divorce certificate.)

I cannot find Hans in any 1930 US census. (That is if he used the name "Hans Hermansen". ) Like I said before,  it is as if he just disappeared.

There is only one surviving son, (he is 93 years old) and he said that his father left the home about 1927 to 1930. He only remembers being told that Hans left to join a fishing boat on the west coast of either the states Alaska, Oregon or Washington and drowned. But he also thinks that maybe Hans went back to Norway.

I am assuming that locating Han's birth certificate has not been easy? I also have been trying to locate it  for some time. I think if it was found, I would have a better Idea of what happened to him.

2. As for your second question: Is Lillian Penteluk, Hans and Hilma's daughter?

Yes. I believe it is. Will this info help your search for Hilma Claudine Oien?

Thank you so much for looking into this.

 I am most grateful.

Mary

 

Permalink Reply by Just M on October 10, 2011 at 11:18am

Births of children (depending on where it occured) carry much information and could help you find more documentation on where the parents are born. Also death records often contain further info (but one must remember this is second hand info passed on at a time of stress)

When I am stuck I work the entire family as deeply as possible and somewhere in what I find there are usually clue

Permalink Reply by Mary Upgren on October 10, 2011 at 11:24am

I really appreciate the time you put into this.

Yes, I also am having a really tough time finding anything concerning this family. Unfortunetly, many of Hans and Hilma's cildren were either adopted or sent away to live with strangers. Therefore it becomes more difficult.

But, again thanks for trying and if something comes up, please do not hesitate to write me.

Mary

Permalink Reply by Just M on October 10, 2011 at 11:52am

For others trying to help

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Hans Hermanson
Age in 1910: 38
Estimated Birth Year: 1872
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Helina Hermanson
Home in 1910: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1906

Name: Helina Hermanson
[Helma Hermanson]
Age in 1910: 24
Estimated Birth Year: 1886
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Hans Hermanson
Home in 1910: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of immigration: 1906

Name: Carl H Hermanson
Age in 1910: 4
Estimated Birth Year: 1906
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Son

Name: Arthur A Hermanson
Age in 1910: 1 5/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Son

They state they both have been married once and they were married 5 years. Hans was an Alien in 1910

Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota; Roll: T624_703; Page: 15B; Enumeration District: 0114; Image: 152; FHL Number: 1374716.

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1910 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Hans Hermanson
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Self
Spouse's Name: Helena Hermanson
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of immigration: 1906
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

Name:Helena Hermanson
[Helma Hermanson]
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Hans Hermanson
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of immigration: 1906
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes

Name: Carl H Hermanson
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Son

Name: Bernice E Hermanson
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Daughter

Name: Lillian C Hermanson
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1913
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Daughter

Name: Arnold M Hermanson
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 2 6/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1918
[abt 1917]
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Son

Name: Roy Hermanson
Home in 1920: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota
Age: 7/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1920
[abt 1919]
Birthplace: Minnesota
Relation to Head of House: Son

Source Citation: Year: 1920;Census Place: Minneapolis Ward 6, Hennepin, Minnesota; Roll: T625_834; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 112; Image: 1013.

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1920 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.

Both Hans and Helma are still Aliens

Arthur is missing from the census. Has he passed away? If so what info is on his death record and where is he buried?

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Permalink Reply by Mary Upgren on October 10, 2011 at 12:37pm

This what I have found regarding Hans and Hilma's children:

CARL H.: He did stay in Minneapolis, MN. Died in 1972

ARTHER: was adopted by neighbors and they renamed him Clarence. (Last name unknown) According to the family, he died at 11 years of age. I do not have death record)

BERNICE: Married..last name Cope. Died 12-3 2007 in Minneapolis.

HELENA: She was adopted at around 4 years old to Norwegan family in Bemidji Minnesota. New last name is Narum. (I did find her in the 1920/1920 Census) No death record though.

LILLIUM: This is the daughter you found for me! Family said that she was sent to a farm in Northeren Minnesota to live.

ARNOLD: Did stay at home for a while. Died in 1941 in Minneapolis, MN.

ROY: Still living. But left home at around 7-8 years to work on the same farm that Helena  was adopted. 

Note: There is another daughter called Elsie. Family has said she was also sent to live with others at a young age, but don't know who or whether she was adopted.

I did see the death certificate of Carl and Bernice, but no reference to who Hans or Hilmas parents were.

I have also been told that there were actually nine children. The first child was born before Hans and Hilma came to the US. But the child died before they came over.

Also, some people think that Han's father's name was herman Hansen. (Not verified)

As you can see, the family was very poor and thus they had to give away their children. Because of this, there is very little information to go on.

The fact that you can not find them in Norwegian Census, tell us that they had dfferent names before they came to the states?

Mary

Such a mystery!!

Permalink Reply by Mary Upgren on October 14, 2011 at 9:46am

Hi,

Not sure if my last post went through, so I will try again.

I found an immigration document "Emigranter fra Trondheim 1867-1930" that lists my ancestor. The ship left Trondheim on February 2, 1906 and the record number is 123452. But the name is HANS JORGEN HERMUNDS., not HERMANSEN.

Also his wife's first name is HELMA. even though the birth year dose not match the incoming ship's log, I know that this is them!

I am assuming that he changed his last name when he got to the states.

I do have a question for translation: Under occupation for Hans, it lists the word (or abbreviation) Byarb. Can you translate this for me? I have looked throgh a Norwegian dictionary and cannot find. This might help me continue my research.

Also it says under ship "via Xania. Is that a port or ship name?

Also last address for Hans is Thjem f Buknes. I found that Thjem is for Trond heim, but any information as to what f Buknes means? 

Thank you so much for any answers you can provide.

Mary

Permalink Reply by Just M on October 14, 2011 at 7:43pm

 I think this is the passenger list you are talking about I will post the inage so possibly others can help read

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Hans Jórgen Hermansen
Arrival Date: 22 Feb 1906
Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Kristiania, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Hellig Olav

Source Citation: Year: 1906; Microfilm Serial: T715; Microfilm Roll: T715_666; Line: 4; Page Number: 13.

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.

Sorry I cant read the stuff on the site digitalarkivet.uib.no where I presume you found the other transcription

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Permalink Reply by Mary Upgren on October 15, 2011 at 6:44am

Hi again!

Yes, I found the document on the site digitalarkivet.uib.no.

Was wondering if you could translate a few few words to English from that document?

1. Under occupation for Hans, it lists the word (or abbreviation) "Byarb." Can you translate this for me into English? I have been looking at a Norwegian dictionary and thought maybe it is an abbreviation for "works for the city". It would be beneficial to know what Hans' occupation was.

2. Under the SHIP column, is listed  "via Xania." Is that a port or ship name?

3 The last address listed for Hans is "Thjem f Bukn" I found that Thjem is for Trond heim, but any information as to what "means? 

Thanks again!

Mary

Permalink Reply by Basiclysue on April 19, 2013 at 7:51pm

Hi Mary.  I was just reading your last post.  It's been about a year since I was pouring through Digitalarkivet Parish Registers.  I can tell you that via Xania means via Kristania, which is a city.  In the books most of the time they would use X instead Christ.  So the name Christian would be Xtian.  The f Bukn could stand for born in Bukn.  The word for born is fodt.  Many times just an "f" was used. I have no idea where that is but it's possible.  Also a last name Hansen would appear as Hanf.  Using the old "f" instead of "s" and dropping the "en".  There is a site that has old Norwegian words that I found.  I'll see if I can find it.  Tomorrow.  Hope this helps a little.

Sue