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Permalink Reply by Hill on May 21, 2012 at 9:07pm

Hi! Andrew  Could this be the son of Archibald & Annie Hilda Steer.

United States Obituary Collection United States Obituary Collection
Name of Deceased: Arthur Montague
Gender: M (Male)
Age at Death: 85
Death Date: 20 Mar 2011
Obituary Date: 23 Mar 2011
Newspaper Title: Pantagraph
Newspaper Location: Bloomington, IL, USA
Birth Date: 17 Oct 1925
Spouse's Name: Dorene Hickstein
Parents' Names: Roy and Hilda Steer Montague
Childrens' Names: Gregory (Connie) Montague,Gary (Carol) Montague and Scott (Liz) Montague
Marriage Date: 20 Sep 1950
Military: Royal Canadian Air Force

The Obituary

http://www.pantagraph.com//news/local/obituaries

Permalink Reply by Andy on May 22, 2012 at 3:16pm

Hello Hill,

Thanks very much and you are correct Archibald named his son after his Dad and I am now in conversing with Archibald's Grandson. Purely by coincidence I found the same connection due to passenger crossings between Canada and New York by Arthur (the Grandson) to see his Grandmother but knew the birth date was wrong and after all how many Arthur Jefferson Montague's can therre be. I then found the obituary on line and the funeral home put me in touch with my family over seas, although between us we're still yet to solve Alfred's details.

Thanks once again for your efforts they are appreciated.

Permalink Reply by Hill on June 3, 2012 at 3:53pm

Hi Andrew  was thinking this is Archibald Jefferson Montague passage to Canada.

Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Name: Mr A J Montague
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Birth Place: Middlesex, England
Age: 16
Date of Arrival: 30 Mar 1920
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Saxonia

Source Citation: Library and Archives Canada; Form 30A Ocean Arrivals (Individual Manifests), 1919-1924; Rolls: T-14939 - T-15248.

I know though the son of Archibald, Arthur Jefferson Montague passenger lists was able to locate a family member but only the mother was listed on the list. Was wondering is Archibald returned to England? 

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
Name: Archibald J Montague
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1962
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Banbury
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 859

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• Passage for Archibald Jefferson Montague.jpg, 50 KB

Permalink Reply by Donna on June 3, 2012 at 1:12am

Andy, could this be your Arthur Montague? I found this article about a Arthur Montague who died as a result of an injury.  They provided a age at the time of his death which isn't always 100% correct but it would put his year of birth at approximately 1862

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Permalink Reply by Donna on June 3, 2012 at 1:33am

One thing I wanted to mention I keep finding info on a Robert Arthur Montague Baker connected to your family this man received a Medial of Honor the name just caught my attention could he be a grandson.
I thought the certificate of death for that Arthur that I posted early and his wife's name is Clementine. 

Permalink Reply by Andy on June 3, 2012 at 6:13am

Hello Donna,

Many thanks for your posts, I too have found references to an Arthur's death but dated 23rd November 1930, too much of a coincidence? My Arthurs wife was Fanny Frances King but who knows he may have remarried. I know my Arthur was born in St. Georges, Bermuda 5th November 1868 which was a military base, as far as I can tell, and I think the link to his Dad Alfred will be there. So far I have the family run from Arthur to me.

I don't know a Robert Arthur Montague Baker although there is a number of Bakers married into the Montague side.

Thanks once again.

Permalink Reply by Donna on June 3, 2012 at 8:05am

I've attached a copy of the certificate of death for you.  This said he was born 10 Aug 1870 in England.  All it has for the father is A. Montague born in England. He's buried at St. John's Norway Cemetery which is about 10 minutes away from me, I just happen to have a copy of the Transcript for that Cemetery and found this Arthur in it.  His wife's Clementina Bayliss is buried with him.  I wasn't able to find another obit for this Arthur but maybe I can find one for Clementina and see if there is any mention of children.

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• Arthur Montague cert of death.jpg, 443 KB
• Arthur Montague Cemetery Transcript..jpg, 45 KB

Permalink Reply by Donna on June 3, 2012 at 8:34am

Here's Clementine's obit they had two children according to it Dorothy and Arthur Victor. I think you are right that this is two different Arthur's.

I was following up because I helped a woman a while back find her grandfather her grandmother had told the family he had died when the children were very young but it turned out that the grandfather had left her for another woman, got married and had other children but the grandmother for whatever reason didn't want them to know maybe she was hurt, blamed herself for some reason but anyway she was able to fill in a lot of missing info so I thought I would check for you just in case something came up like that.  Her grandmother also lied and said the grandfather was born in Canada when he was actually born in England.  My point is sometimes they think they need to hides things so they make things and these stories get passed along to family.  But it would appear we are talking about two different Arthur's according to your info. 

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Permalink Reply by Hill on June 3, 2012 at 3:36pm

Hi Andrew  Just to be clear this is your Great Grandfather's Arthur Jefferson Montague family. Alfred Montague would be Arthur father. What info do you have on Alfred?

1911 England Census 
Name: Arthur Jefferson Montague
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Georges, Resident, Bermuda
Civil parish: Wood Green
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 43 Russell Avenue, Noel Park, Wood Green N
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Bank Hall Porter
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: Wood Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 278
Piece: 7257
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Jefferson Montague 42
Fanny Frances Montague 38
Arthur Harold Montague 9
Archibald Jefferson Montague 7
Frederick Ivor Montague 4
Alfred George Montague 2
Stanley Leonard Montague 2/12

Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 7257; Schedule Number: 278.

Permalink Reply by Andy on June 5, 2012 at 7:20am

Hello Hill,

I tried to reply yesterday but it would seem the reply was too long and it didn't upload.

In answer to your question yes I am after information on the parents of Arthur Jefferson Montague born 1868, all I know is that his name is Alfred as shown on Arthur and Fanny's marriage certificate.

I tried to reply with all the information I had on Arthur, Fanny and sons shown in your reply but it took too long to up load basically Frederick went to Australia and Archibald to Canada. Alfred George is my Granddad.

I have a number of Alfred's on a hit list that I am slowly ruling out based on a birth year of 1853 and before. One born in London and married a girl from Bermuda, another from England stationed in Bermuda (could be same person) another from Auckland, New Zealand stationed at Portsea, England to name a few. I'm betting the connection is the Royal Navy and Bermuda but it's tying Arthur into the equation with the various Alfreds I have found.

I tried to get Arthur's birth certificate from Bermuda but they have little or no information before 1900 and it is costly just to be told they cannot find a certificate so I am trying all other avenues i.e. forums to where the family has gone.