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Attached is a birth registration for my Great Aunt.
It would appear to me that my Great Grandmother Alma See was applying for a birth certificate for her daughter Florence. Since Alma leaves her mark she is not able to read or write. The witness to her mark is my Grandmother Winnifred Moore.
What I need help with is
The year it was applied for
What is written on top of Mrs Winnifred Moore signature
and also what possible reasons would Alma be applying for a birth certificate years later.
The application date is 19 June 1937.
Sorry I can't figure out what is written above the signature.
This was issued 53 years after the birth. She would need it eventually to apply for OAS, but why she needed it at that time, I don't know. Perhaps she was also applying for a passport, or taking out life insurance?
Just wanted to say Thank-You for taking the time to look at the birth certificate.
I also thought the year was 1937 but it is reassuring to have a second opinion, as for what is written above my Grandmother's signature may remain a mystery. I did forget to mention her last place of residence in 1919 was Portland, Oregon according to her Brother, so maybe applying for Social Security.
I never thought of the possibility of needing the birth certificate for a Passport or Life Insurance. At least this gives me some avenues to follow up on.
Greatly Appreciated JoAnn
You're most welcome. I enjoy helping where I can. I think someone else will likely figure out what is written above your Grandma's signature, but it baffles me.
At first I thought it might describe the relationship of the witness, as it looked to be "her... ....) but when I saw where she'd signed...
Perhaps because Winnifred signed where the notary should have, maybe it names the legal notary/lawfirm...You could look through other late registers from the era to see if it matches any other...
I almost see Engleson in the first part and cumins or comins in the second ...Could that be Geo at the beginning?...agh...are my eyes just going round in circles...probably...
So your thinking it maybe the signature of a legal notary or law firm,will say I never thought of that.
It's getting late, almost time for bed, will look in the morning to see if there are any other late registers with a familiar signature.
Thanks Jeanyalogy for taking the time to look at the birth certificate.
I've looked at this for so long I can't believe there is nothing firm to see in there...but if most of the page was filled out by the same person it is a mishmash of handwriting...The word witness having the most lovely of crossed t's ...( The rest don't) and "her mark" being some of the worst... It is the similarity of the word "her" to the first part of your mystery that confounds me. The capitals have similar starts such as the horrible word "Kent" ( Had we not known it was Kent from the first writing of it, that might have been the second mystery word, hehe)
But looking at it just now, the last word isn't capitalized, so probably not a name...
if that isn't an ampersand in the middle, then why would it be a small a? Am now wondering if last word might be some bad abbreviation for commissioner ( commr?)
I think it says
H W ENGLESON a commr
I believe he was to sign where the witness did
I guess one thing you could try is looking in a directory to see if that name is there as a Commissioner of Oathes in 1937
Florence Leona See
was born August 29 1884 to William See and Alma Butler in Chatham Twp, Ontario, Canada.
She has a twin sister Francis Luella See married Edwin Joseph Leach.
I am trying to locate Florence but having no luck.
This is what I have been able to locate thus far.
The late birth registration, that has been posted. also the birth certificate.
Florence is still with her parents in the 1901 Census, age 17
A Detroit Border Crossing,it says she was in the USA since 1903, arriving in Canada Mar 1 1910, returning to Detroit on Mar 6 1910. She is now Florence Young. I have not been able to locate a marriage. Her twin sister Francis was married on March 2 1910 in Kent County, Ontario, Canada. So I would have to assume she arrived for her sister's wedding.
I have found a Seattle, Washington Passenger for her brother Harold See dated May 1 1919 stating his nearest relative sister Mrs Young, Portland,Oregon.
Including the images,i n hopes someone sees something I do not.
Thus far this is all I have found.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957 Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957
Name: Florence L Young
Arrival Date: 6 Mar 1910
Birth Date: abt 1888
Birthplace: Chatham Ont
Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Departure Contact: Father Wm See Chatham
Arrival Contact: Friend Mrs Mary Carlile
Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_117
Seattle, Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957 Seattle, Washington, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1882-1957
Name: Harold D See
Arrival Date: May 1919
Estimated Birth Year: 1894
Last Residence: CA
Port of Arrival: Seattle, Washington
Port of Departure: Victoria, British Columbia
Microfilm Roll Number: M1383_39
Having a wonderful day!
Today in the mail received the SSA Application which I was hoping was Florence Leona See and It is.Has the correct parent names and birth in Chatham,Ontario,Canada.
The application is dated Oct 25 1937,Her husband George Waite died Dec 9 1935.so Jo Anne thoughts on Passport or Life Insurance may be the reason.
Oddly enough she had the wrong year of birth on her SSA,but appears to do the same on the Census.
So now I will send for her Death Certificate,hopefully it provides me her final resting place.
Thank-You Joann,Jenny and M for your assistance.
Yay, great news Hill! Hope this opens all your future doors...