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Permalink Reply by David11000 on January 26, 2013 at 4:15pm

We must be looking at different censuses.

In 1841 in Hacconby Lincs were

George King 30 tailor

Louisa King 30

George 10; Louisa 8; John 5; William 3; Henry 7 months

The same family in Hacconby in 1851

George King head marr 43 master tailor b Stretton Rutland

Louisa King wife 42 b Market Deeping Lincs

Louisa dau 17; William son 13

Henry King son 10

Mary Ann dau 9; Maurice son 7; Edwin son 6.

All children born Hacconby.

Henry was only 7 months old in 1841 and was 10 in 1851. So obviously not born in 1830.

I don't think you have the right parents for your Henry, which makes it even more imperative that you find the Canadian marriage to get his correct parents.

David

Permalink Reply by David11000 on January 26, 2013 at 5:08pm

Isobell has pointed to me that there was another Henry King aged 9 living in the same house in 1841, although in a different household with Elizabeth Sneath. It's odd that if he was the son of George and Louisa they should have named another son Henry when the first was still living. 

Working on it!

The 9 year Henry is shown as not born in Lincs, unlike all the rest of the King children, which may be significant. 

There's also another Henry King, junior age 13 further up the same page on the 1841 census!

Permalink Reply by David11000 on January 27, 2013 at 2:21am

OK, let's start again with a fresh set of eyes this morning. 13 year old son has gone skiing with his mother so I'm left in peace to concentrate on genealogy.

Hacconby parish register has been transcribed on Freereg at http://www.freereg.org.uk which might make life easier. George and Louisa married on 4 May 1830 and here's the first anomaly. Louisa is shown as Smith a spinster on Freereg whereas the IGI describes her as Snaith. I think Freereg may have mistranscribed her name. George and Louisa (or Lucy as she's described as on two occasions) baptised a number of children as follows:

18 Mar 1831 George

5 Oct 1834 Louisa

5 Oct 1834 Henry

17 Oct 1837 William

2 Sep 1938 Hannah bur 9 Dec 1839 age 1

8 Nov 1840 Henry

10 Apr 1842 Mary Ann

23 Jun 1844 Morrice

12 Aug 1846 Edward bur 24 Aug 1846 infant

25 Dec 1847 Fanny bur 7 Sep 1850 age 3

15 Dec 1850 Edwin 

Merging the two censuses their children were

George 1831; Louisa 1833; John 1836; William 1838; Henry 1840; Mary Ann 1842; Maurice 1844; Edwin 1850 (he was 6 months in 1851 not 6 yrs as I posted above)

Two immediate questions:

- who's John and why wasn't he baptised?

- is Henry baptised 1834 really John (but the age is wrong) or is he the 9 year old Henry in 1841 (but the age is wrong again)

More random thoughts about Henry baptised 1834:

- as he wasn't buried in Hacconby, it raises the immediate question of why they named another son Henry in 1840

- were he and Louisa twins, as they were baptised on the same day?

- or was he a late baptism, as there's plenty of space between George in 1831 and Louisa in 1834

- or, my preferred explanation which is unproveable:  there was a third King baptism on 5 Oct 1834, another Henry, son of Henry and Maria, Did the vicar make a mess of entering the baptisms in the register, and duplicated that for Henry? Freereg shows him as plain Henry King whereas the IGI has him as Henry Holderness King. Another possibility is that this Henry was the 13 year in 1841 described as Henry King jun, and he was a very late baptism

- Henry aged 9 in 1841 shows Not born in Lincs, which makes it unlikely that he was the son of George and Louisa, who married and baptised all their other children in Hacconby.

Too many possibilities to come to a firm conclusion!

But why do you think that George and Louisa were the parents of Henry King in Canada?

David

Permalink Reply by David11000 on January 27, 2013 at 2:48am

I think you're right that George and Louisa emigrated to the USA, as living together in Seneca County in 1910 were Maurice 67, Louisa 77 and William 72. But they show an immigration year of 1853.

George, Louisa, Mary A, Morris and Edwin were living in Seneca County in 1860, although George had had a career change from tailoring to farming. So they emigrated earlier than 1868 as you thought.

But I'm still doubtful that George and Louisa were the parents of the Canadian Henry, who you say was born c1830

David

Permalink Reply by David11000 on January 29, 2013 at 2:16am

I'm still chipping away at Henry King, but need just a bit of input/feedback from you

I'm looking for him in Quebec in censuses and the most likely family seems to be Henry, wife Mary Ann and children Henry b 1859, William 1860 and Elizabeth 1866. This Henry was 43 in 1871, 54 in 1881 and 73 in 1901 which would seem to rule him out as being a son of George and Louisa who didn't marry until 1830.

Is this your family? If not can you give the names and birth years of their children?

Permalink Reply by David11000 on January 29, 2013 at 2:36pm

Perhaps I could just summarise what we've found, both in this thread and on Chat:

10 Dec 1857 Marriage licence obtained for marriage in the cathedral. No parents named.

1857 Marriage in The Anglican Cathedral Church of The Holy Trinity, Quebec City

1859 Henry King baptised

1860 William King baptised

1861 census – can't find them

1876 Elizabeth King born

1871 St Jean Ward, Quebec City Henry King 43, Mary Ann 30, Henry 12, William 11, Elizabeth 5. All b England (???)

1881 St Pierre Ward, Quebec City Henry King 54 b England, Mary Ann 35, Henry 22, William 20, Elizabeth 14. All ex Henry sen b Quebec

1891 Montcalm Centre Ward, Quebec City Henry King 28 Grace 27, Ethel 7, Elma 6, Allan 4, Murial 2, Gordon 2, Malcolm 1; Helen West sis in law 26 all b Quebec; Henry King father 48 Mary Ann King mother 44 both b England(??)

28 Sep 1899 Mary Ann Duffy age 61 wife of Henry King died and was buried at Mt Hermon Cemetery, Quebec City

1901 son Henry King and family were living in Montreal. Age 38 dob 26 Jul 1862 (he lied!). Can't see Henry sen

21 Feb 1902 Henry King aged 70 died and was buried at Mt Hermon Cemetery, Quebec City

I favour Henry's ages in 1871 and 1881 which would give a birth of c1827/8. I'm still sure he wasn't the son of George and Louisa. I await the marriage entry.

David

Permalink Reply by isobellking on January 29, 2013 at 6:19pm

Henry King was in his 72 year when he died according to his certificate of death he died on Feb,22 and was buried on Feb.24m1902

Anne Elizabeth was born on Oct.22m1866 in Bourg Louis and was Baptized in the Methodist Church.

I feel he may have been an indentured servant,since he appears in the 1851-52 Census in the home of The Hon.Edward Bowen, he was a lawyer,Judge and political figure.

Isobell

Permalink Reply by millorange on January 29, 2013 at 12:27pm

Hi Isobel,

have you tried contacting http://www.cathedral.ca/ to see if they can help you with finding a marriage certificate

Cathy