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Permalink Reply by Donna on January 7, 2012 at 1:18pm

What sort of information are you looking for?  I can try finding obits for you or possible marriage annoucements if you don't have them is that something your interested in?

Donna

Permalink Reply by Susan on January 9, 2012 at 1:29pm

I am very interested in any info we can "dig up." Her sons seem to have no records of the history of her life. I have found a death cerificate for a still born child with a name, the same as hers, minus Harmon, and the same date of birth. This info is listed in archives for Merritton (St Catherines) ON.

thanks for your interest and help

Have a great day!

Susan

Permalink Reply by Eliz on January 9, 2012 at 7:31am

Can you give us any dates for any of the above, birth/marriage/death? also did she have brothers and sisters?

Permalink Reply by Susan on January 9, 2012 at 10:08am

She had a brother, Edward J, who passed away in 1978. He fought in the 2nd world war, and his wife Aline, was a member of the forces as well. Rita told me that her mother was French Canadian. She never talked about her dad. Rita passed away Feb 16 2000, being born Jan 18 1918. Searching through archives for Merritton(St. Catherines)ON, her birthplace, I discovered a death certificate for a still born birth with the same name & birth date that she claimed to have, Mary Rita Theresa Giselle (Harmon) Spanger.She apparently grew up in the Don Valley, beneath what is now the Bloor Viaduct and attended Holy Name Catholic Church and a Catholic school in the area.

 Having said all of that, maybe her dad was not from Quebec. I discovered a Spanger male, who was born in Welland ON, 1911. Haven't had time to research that one.

She married, Philip Ernest Gilbert, born Mar 23 1909 in Croydon, Surrey London who emigrated to Canada, with his mom and dad in 1911. I know their anniversary was in April-June/July, as we celebrated their 35th, in 1973-1974.

Her oldest son, 71 , recalls nothing and never heard about her father and no one seems to have her records. Her second son knows nothing. I am beginning to wonder that there is some family history that no one wants known. I have researched the Toronto Star archives for both death/birth records, and nothing. A newspaper article from the 40's talks about the arrest of an Edward Spanger and  friend for break-in activity. Researching that name brings me nothing. I wonder that this would have been her brother. In any case, it is a case of having to hire a "Philidelphia Lawyer" to "break the case", as Rita would say.

In any case, will keep on searching. There has to be a break somewhere.

Thanks for your help,

Susan

 

Permalink Reply by Eliz on January 9, 2012 at 6:12pm

I found this: for 1901 at

Automated Genealogy

Surname Givens Age Province District Subdistrict Enum.
District Page Line
Spanger Adelia 65 QU MAISONNEUVE Montréal (City/Cité) Saint-Denis (Ward/Quartier) e-7 1 44
Spanger Charles 63 QU MAISONNEUVE Montréal (City/Cité) Saint-Denis (Ward/Quartier) e-7 1 43
Spanger Garnet 15 QU MONTRÉAL (City/Cité)/177 Saint-Louis (Ward/Quartier) b-26 11 5
Spanger Suzie 38 QU MONTRÉAL (City/Cité)/177 Saint-Louis (Ward/Quartier) b-26 11 4

 she could be his mother..

101 Spanger Suzie F Lodger W Jan 9 1863
38
5 101 Spanger Garnet M Lodger S Sep 22 1885
15

Permalink Reply by Eliz on January 9, 2012 at 6:18pm

1891 Census of Canada

Name: Garnet W Spanger
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 5
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Quebec
Relation to Head of House: Son
Religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: Quebec
Mother's Birth Place: Quebec
Province: Quebec
District Number: 172
District: Montréal Centre
Subdistrict: St Louis Ward
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederic Spanger 35
Suzanna Spanger 28
Suzanna P O Spanger 11
Fred R J Spanger 9
Garnet W Spanger 5
Anna S Spanger 72

Source Citation: Year: 1891; Census Place: St Louis Ward, Montréal Centre, Quebec. Roll: T-6409, Family No: 73.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1891 Census of Canada [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.

Original data: Library and Archives Canada. Census of Canada, 1891. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada: Library and Archives Canada, 2009. a href="http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/index-e.html&gt" target="_blank">http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/index-e.ht...;. Series RG31-C-1. Statistics Canada Fonds. Microfilm reels: T-6290 to T-6427

Permalink Reply by Eliz on January 9, 2012 at 6:22pm

I should note, it says, Father born Germany, Mother Ireland

so the Suzie in the other ,1901 is his sister

Attachments:

• Spanger 1891 page 1.jpg, 357 KB

Permalink Reply by Eliz on January 9, 2012 at 6:45pm

oops. Frederic was born in QC..I misread the 1891..so thinking  this is his death:

Name: Christian Frederick Spanger
Event Year: 1855
Event: Naissance (Birth)
Religion: Lutheran
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Lutheran Saint John Germain)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.
Original data: Gabriel Drouin, comp. Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Institut Généalogique Drouin.

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death:

Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967 about Spanger
Name: Spanger
Event Year: 1938
Event: Enterrement (Burial)
Religion: Anglican
Place of Worship or Institution: Montréal (Anglican Christ Church Cathedral,Actes)
Province: Québec (Quebec)

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Quebec Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1621-1967 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008.
Original data: Gabriel Drouin, comp. Drouin Collection. Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Institut Généalogique Drouin.

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• C Frederick Spanger Birth.jpg, 97 KB
• Death Spanger,F.jpg, 154 KB

Permalink Reply by Eliz on January 9, 2012 at 6:29pm

Source Citation: Year: 1911; Census Place: St. Laurent Ward, Montreal St Laurent, Quebec. Page 16, Family No: 232.
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. 1911 Census of Canada [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2006.

Original data: Library and Archives Canada. Census of Canada, 1911. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada: Library and Archives Canada, 2007. a href="http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1911/index-e.html>" target="_blank">http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1911/index-e.ht...;. Series RG31-C-1. Statistics Canada Fonds. Microfilm reels T-20326 to T-20460.

Frederick Spanger> attached

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• 1901 Frederick Spanger.jpg, 409 KB

Permalink Reply by Susan on January 9, 2012 at 8:28pm

Thank you so very much for your time and help. I really appreciate it. You are awesome!

Have a great evening!

Permalink Reply by Susan on January 9, 2012 at 8:30pm

Thanks Elizabeth!

Permalink Reply by Eliz on January 10, 2012 at 6:39am

We are happy to help...still looking for more on either of them,  Eva's last name is not coming up Corsoran, so I am wondering if there  is a ?? with her maiden name.. will look some more.